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How to roll carns on your holys

ok first off the placement of carns the order i use thats most effective is::

2,1,3,4 example if i were working with 4 carns say exact levels 160,195,180 and 123, by the order that i use i would place them as so

2 1 3 4
160 195 123 180

so from higest to lowest in the carns i'm workin with i put the 2nd highest in the 1st box
then i put the highest carn the 2nd box 3rd box i put lowest of the carns i'm workin with it doesn't have to be the lowest carn you have just below the 4th box or 3rd highest carn is fine i just ranged for the example the most ideal combinations for this formula tend to come if these specific carns are placed in these spots

2 1 3 4
195 200 185 190 since those are the highest of the carns you can get and still use 4 seperate numbers they will mostly get the best effects using the lowest 4 carns of perfect carns will obviously give you the lowest effects.


Ok with that part out of the way we move into fixing blanks to get extra res. Most of us know if you just roll carns over a blank holy you tend to get less resists on it than one that has a base carn forged. However what most includeing myself unitl recently don't know is that blank armors have a unique feature that can add a res that you wish on it and still be able to roll carns and keep that as a base. To do this you'll need to take a blank holy armor cleaned with stone of rainbow or +1 from event as long as it has no orange effects on it is considered clean. with this blank equipment you can add either an essence or a gem; (effects listed below) and still roll carns overtop of it and keep the effects of both the ess or gem and carns.

130-140 Range Tend to give mage max/neg and res
150-160 Range Tend to give hum max/neg and res


Essence effect on blank holy
Note:: gems cannot be added ontop of essences ever;; essences cannot be placed on wepons or boots|

the essence will replace the base melee on a chest or helm be it +18 from 1 holy +19 from 2 holy or +20 from 3 holy with up to a max of +43 on one of the 4 essence abilities(sta,int,str,agi) however the holy piece will no longer have the physical defense it had as blank piece and still roll carns over the essence to get extra resists and keep the base of the essence these are what i call super holys.


Gem/Diamond effect
Note :: only 1 gem can be added and still add carns;; gems may be added on any clean holy chest or helm: diamonds may be added on any clean wepon or boot|

the gem placed ontop of a clean holy will give it a base that it will keep so if chosen correctly you could have multiples of certain reses on 1 piece this base res will remain the base no matter how many rolls of the carns you do.

there ya go a short guide to what i know about makeing holys have fun make some awsome gears and good luck to all its still a lil random but atleast this will hopefully make it a bit easier for ya. Also if i've missed anything or you know anything I don't feel free to post it in a reply

[[i] Last edited by DomXee at 3-28-2010 03:35 PM [/i]]

/f24

what about 170-200? and 120-130 Perfect carns?/yct57

it is really working?

[[i] Last edited by lapitchoune at 8-8-2010 07:17 AM [/i]]

/yct18  good explanation, but from my failure experience.. ( /yct05  over hundres of p.carns)

almost all your imagination is wrong,

wrong about essence too... if u put essence on holy, u still can add gem
essence can be added on all holy gear except mauve.

STA essence on boot give +6800 HP /yct31

For carnelian, u need all high lvl to get best res. i hate high lvl p.carn, only give Max Death SKill /yct05
for rolling with p.carn, only need 1 high lvl and other low is ok. give same result

and u can insert it to any slot right?

...

well this ll confuse noobs more then enough .. many mistakes in this guide .. but atleast he tried /f26

I don't know more about forging/enchanting but as long as there are carns LOL I put them randomly for rerolling. I did not know there's actually specific spot for each carn.

Can someone come up with a better Guide. the replies i see making it not a guide to relly on/yct14 . I wish i can but it will take me years to do so and im not good at adding carns to Holies.But I do same as Maxfli do using carns/f75

..setting place of carns are useless.. u just need luck

i think everything depinds on your luck....nothing to do with the carns

nah there are tricks but the problem is that noone share lol :S for example i know how to get good neglect chao or berserker rate dmg on holy but i don't know about rest :X

130-150 carns give neglects of 4-6 usually 160-180 usually give 7-8 and 185-200 usually give 9/10 althought sometimes you may get a 7 or 8 in my experience

/yct32 nice..................................

btw ikesela there are lots of differences between dragon and nix and this is guide mainly true for dragon

Reply 13# Mafiano's post

what Prefect Carnelian or Delicate Carnelian max/neglect?
what Delicate Carnelian?/yct21

and if u roll with 4x 200 lvl pc????

[quote]Original posted by [i]Oxy02[/i] at 10-3-2011 12:21 [url=http://forum.igg.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=20079092&ptid=219750][img]http://forum.igg.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
and if u roll with 4x 200 lvl pc???? [/quote]
u get crap random res
best to not use more then 2 of the same carn

its all random wat ever the carn values u use,all u need to b is lucky to get the resis u want.

[quote]Original posted by [i]Fanfiction6[/i] at 10-3-2011 03:42 PM [url=http://forum.igg.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=20079104&ptid=219750][img]http://forum.igg.com/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
its all random wat ever the carn values u use,all u need to b is lucky to get the resis u want. [/quote]

it's true, but specific carns gives a very small chance higher than the rest but that info wont be released because it will be flamed like xee did :)

All i'll add to this.

How to place carns:

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Weapons
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slot 1: 1st white, 1st orange(attribute and potential stat or attributes; 50% chance)
slot 2:2nd orange + 3rd orange(potential stat and neglect or just attributes;50% chance)
slot 3:4th orange(neglect or attributes)
slot 4:5th orange(neglect or attributes)

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Armor
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slot 1: 1st white, 1st orange(resist)
slot 2: 2nd orange, 3rd orange(resist,max)
slot 3: 4th orange(attack,hp,mp,agi)
slot 4: 5th orange(attack,hp,mp,agi)

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Helmet
======
slot 1: 1st white, 1st orange(resist)
slot 2: 2nd orange, 3rd orange(resist,max)
slot 3: 4th orange(attack,hp,mp,agi)
slot 4: 5th orange(attack,hp,mp,agi)

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Shoes
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slot 1: 1st white, 1st orange(resist or potential stats;50% chance)
slot 2: 2nd orange, 3rd orange(resist or potential stats;50% chance for 2nd orange. 3rd orange = attribute.)
slot 3: 4th orange(speed,attack,hp,mp)
slot 4: 5th orange(speed,attack,hp,mp)

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Mauve
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slot 1: 1st white, 1st orange (resist or potential stats;50% chance)
slot 2: 2nd orange, 3rd orange (resist or potential stats;50% chance. Determines 1st neglect or attribute;50% chance.)
slot 3: 4th orange (neglect or attribute)
slot 4: 5th orange (neglect or attribute)

Note: using carn 114-119 carn can reduce the chance of borg stats(aka potential stats) and may harm your roll for 1st resist(white) - and other 2 placements of borg stats by placing in 1st carn slot for shoe or mauve(NOT WEAPON). (never tried below 114, but figure they work the same)

[[i] Last edited by Crisis7673 at 11-12-2012 12:25 PM [/i]]

thank u i'll remember this stuff, :D

but venky and crisis which carn to put in which slot???

/yct27 well each carn has certain chance or no chance of appearing...

I said I wouldnt post my "experiments", although here it is not going to guarantee you will get 30+ neg or 4x human res rolls, those are hard to obtain...

Resistances:
=======================
Carnelians for Fraility
=======================
120
121
122
123
124
125(good rate)
126(good rate)
127(good rate)
128(good rate)
129(good rate)
130
131(good rate)
132
133
134
135(good rate)
136(good rate)
137(good rate)
138(good rate)
139(good rate)
140
141
142
143
144
145(good rate)
146(good rate)
147(good rate)
148(good rate)
149(good rate)
150
160(low)
165
170(low)
175
180(low)
185
190(low)
195
200(very low)*
=====================
Carnelians for Poison
=====================
*all even numbers

=========================================
Carnelians for Hypnotize and Berserk rate
=========================================
120
121(very low rate)
123(good rate)
124(low rate)
125(low rate)
126
127(good rate)
129(good rate)
130(low rate)
132(good rounded human res)*
133
135(good rate)
136(low rate)
137(low rate)
138
139(low rate)
141(good rate)
142(low rate)
143(low rate)
144
145
147(good rate)
148(low rate)
149(low rate)
150
160(low rate)
165
175
180
185(low rate)
190(low rate)
195
===================================
Carns for Chaos and Berserk damage
===================================
120
121(low rate)
124
125(low rate)
128(good rate)
129(low rate)
131(low rate)
132(good rounded human carn)*
133(low rate)
134(low rate)
136
137(good rate)
140(good rate)
141(low rate)
143(low rate)
144
145(low rate)
146(low rate)
148
149
160
165(very low rate)
170(very low rate)
180(good rounded human res with low rate)*
185(low rate)
200
=====================================
Carnelians for Stun and Critical rate
=====================================
120
121(very low)
122(very low)
123(very low)
125
126(low)
127(very low)
130(good rate)
131(low)
132(very low)
134(very low)
135(good rate)
136(low)
137(low)
138(very low)
139(very low)
140
141(very low)
142(very low)
143(very low)
145
146(very low)
147(very low)
150(good rate)
160(low)
165(low)
170
175(low)
180(good rate human res carn with low rate)*
185(low)
190
195
200(low)
========================================
Carnelians for Fire and Critical Damage
========================================
120
121(very low)
122(low)
123(low)
124
126
127(very low)
128(very low)
129(very low)
132
133
134(good rate)*
138(good rate)
139
140(very low)
143(very low)
144
145(very low)
146(very low)
148(very low)
149(very low)
150(low)
160
170(low)
175(low)
180*
200(very low)
=====================================
Carnelians for Ice and Combo Counter
=====================================
120(very low)
121(very low)
122(very low)
123(very low)
124(low)
125(very low)
126(low)
127(very low)
128(very low)
129(low)
131(very low)
133(low)
134(very low)
135(very low)
136(low)
137(very low)
140(low)
141(low)
142(very low)
143(low)
147
148(low)
149(low)
150(very low)
165(low)
170
175
185
190
195(low)
====================================
Carnelians for dark and Combo Count
====================================
120(low)
121(very low)
122(very low)
123(very low)
124(low)
125(very low)
128(low)
129(very low)
130(very low)
131(very low)
132(very low)
135(very low)
136(low)
137
138(low)
139(very low)
144
145(low)
146(very low)
147(very low)
160(good rate)
165(low rate)
170(low rate)
180(low rate)
185(low rate)
195(good rate)
200(good rate)
======================================
Carnelians for flash and Counter rate
======================================
120(very low)
121(very low)
124(low)
125(very low)
126(low)
127(very low)
128(very low)
129(very low)
130(very low)
132(very low)
133(very low)
134(very low)
135
136(very low)
137(very low)
138(very low)
139(very low)
140(very low)
141(low)
142(very low)
144(low)
145(very low)
146(very low)
147(very low)
148(low)
149(very low)
150(very low)
165
175
180(good rate)
190
200(low)
======================================
Carnelians for Death and Counter value
======================================
120(low)
121(very low)
123
124(low)
125(very low)
130
131(very low)
132(low)
133(low)
134(very low)
137(very low)
139(very low)
140(low)
141(low)
142(low)
143(low)
144(very low)
149(very low)
150
160(good rate)
170(good rate)
180
185(low)
190
195(low)
200(Very High)*


Erm, beforehand since I know you'll ask how I got this but again another formula developed without IGG's help and quite simple.

Note:further you go down the list (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) the rates are lower, this is why fraility and death have higher chance of appearing.

*You divide each level carnelian by the following numbers:
1 = fraility
2 = poison
3 = choas
4 = hypno
5 = stun
6 = fire
7 = ice
8 = dark
9 = flash.
10 = death

1 = Pierce rate(doesnt exist)
2 = Pierce value (doesnt exist)
3 = Berserk rate
4 = Berserk damage
5 = Critical rate
6 = Critical damage
7 = Combo Counter
8 = Combo Count
9 = Counter rate
10 = Counter value

*level 134 carn for fire has a good chance of appearing, poison and fraility may ruin the rate
*132 and 180 have even rates of human resists to appear(reminder, the higher you go up the rates go down; mages have higher chance of appearing than humans with level 160+ carns.)


refer to post number 19 to see how to place them.

[[i] Last edited by Crisis7673 at 11-26-2012 01:42 PM [/i]]

/yct18 /yct18 /yct18 /yct18 /yct18 /yct18  xD let me try that stuff

Part 2
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Attributes:
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Carnelians for Strength
=================
120*
121
122
123
124
125
126(good rate)
127
128
129(low rate)
130(good rate)
131(good rate)
132*
133
134(good rate)
135(low rate)
136
137
138(good rate)
139(good rate)
140
141(low rate)
142(good rate)
143(good rate)
144*
145
146(good rate)
147(good rate)
148
149
150(good rate)
165(low rate)
170
175(good rate)
180*
185
190
200(low rate)
Carnelians for Stamina
================
120*
122
124
126(low)
128
130
132*
134(low)
136
138(low)
140
142
144*
146(low)
148
150(low)
160
170(low)
180*
190(low)
200

Carnelians for Agility
================
120*
123(good rate)
124(low)
125
126
127
129(good rate)
130(low rate)
131(low rate)
132*
133
135(good rate)
136(low rate)
137(low rate)
138(low rate)
139
141(good rate)
142(low rate)
143(low rate)
144*
145(good rate)
147
148(low rate)
149(low rate)
150(low rate)
160(low rate)
165(good rate)
175
180*
185(low rate)
190(low rate)
195



Carnelians for Intelligence
===================
120*
121(low)
122(good rate)
124
125
128(good rate)
129(low rate)
131(low rate)
132*
133(low rate)
134(low rate)
136
137(good rate)
140(good rate)
141(low rate)
143(low rate)
144*
145(low rate)
146(low rate)
148
149
160
165(low rate)
170(low rate)
180*
185
200

*=usually mean unique ones that gives all 4 at same rates

refer to post number 19 how to place them.

[[i] Last edited by Crisis7673 at 11-26-2012 01:35 PM [/i]]

Maybe you all can post your results here...

For example in last two months I rolled:
[IMG]http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab147/seedhunter7673/CAP1351784252.png[/IMG]

and

[IMG]http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab147/seedhunter7673/CAP1351360856.png[/IMG]

Again, this may still take awhile and getting almost perfect piece is hard to make /yct27

Crisis, you said divide the carn value by these numbers? but some how in the edit those numbers got lost.

And the values, 1 = fire, etc. are they quotient or remainder?

I always believed that there can only a certain degree of randomness associated but 90% of the output follow a certain linear logic, and that should explain even using same set of carns in the same slot may give different sets of stats and attributes is because the random factor chooses the value set for that roll. But if the sample size is very large, you will see pattern like crisis did.

Also, look to 8bank8 experiments too.

If we do some of our own experiments, please share them too here.

I just did simple dividing and rounding.

129/6 = 21.5, so you round up to ice but ice cannot be divided by it either.

129/7 = 18.428(round down) = 18

Since it was rounded down I just took the rate away but through experiments i've experienced more mage res 160+ and human 120-150.


Fraility/poison/Fire/Ice is gender based. As in theory I would think they would be dominate but maybe im taking my logic too far...

Chaos  
Hypno
Stun
-----
Flash
Dark
Death
*these are in skill order when you bring up mage and human skills list

Potential stats:
[IMG]http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab147/seedhunter7673/Borgcrap.jpg[/IMG]
*Cut out critical resist if you noticed*
Attributes:
Str>fraility
Sta>poison
Agi>hypnotize
Int>chaos(odd one but chaos was only one left)
*and you'll noticed it not same order but I related it to first 4*
So far i've been accurately correct getting usable holies in about 5-7 characters worth of wed event; as in usable I mean not some random resist, the one getting max chaos + human resists or mage max + human resists will still remain a challenge and 30+ neg weapons as well...

is how I got their order.

[[i] Last edited by Crisis7673 at 11-27-2012 12:46 PM [/i]]

I will just like to poke one little hole in part of your logic.  

What if, even though dought anyone would do it, but what if they roll with 1-3 carns only.  By the logic of your 1 post, some resistances shouldn't have any change occuring, but they do.

Aradan, MW2 is a computer game and all computer games run through a logic, i talked about the randomness, but even there is a logic to devise randomness. Crisis is close, though since we donot have the source code, so what best we can do is try to get close the logic. Thats what we are trying, hope you may help too.

what this is a computer game, why was i not told of this/yct51  I always thought it was just something on my TV or something.

I have my own theories on how it may work, but they are all just theories, and i rather play the game with randomness then take advantage of the coding, which i do more then enough of already.