chaserr

Everyone be aware of Mr_White & Hordex, they also have secret chars like Crazy_Dude or Vmax.
They don't want to trade through sentinel and even called sentinel a scammer, I reported them through service
But they only got warned, so now I/ve been adviced to post their names here.
Please be aware of them, they may pretend to be very nice to you but nothing can be more deceiving than that.
the truth is just that they are straight up scammers preying on what other people have.

Guguby

Do you also have any proof or you are saying this just because they don't want to trade through sentinel?

The fact that player don't wants to trade through some kind of unknown guy called "sentinel" doesn't make him scammer. He's just careful and have a working common sense. It's not even officially approved by IGG to be a sentinel and even unofficial list is nowhere to be found. And honestly, I don't trust some of these sentinels either...

lapitchoune

There r only 3 sentinels in nix but generally people who refuse sentinel help r scammers.... And if my experience has anything to come by, people who say that sents r scammer (to get the stuff first) r always scammers

Guguby

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Original posted by lapitchoune at 4-30-2012 05:22 PM
There r only 3 sentinels in nix but generally people who refuse sentinel help r scammers.... And if my experience has anything to come by, people who say that sents r scammer (to get the stuff first)  ...

So according to your unbreakable logic I'm a scammer. What a terrible discovery! I'm disgusted by myself! I shall go and take my life now...

Guguby

In my opinion sentinels are joke... They may be good for answering questions of newbs and helping them. But when it comes to trade they really are just a joke. I even knew some persons who trusted some guys and get scammed by some people who wasn't sentinels. I don't know who they were. Alts of scammer? Friends of scammer? Whatever...

But think about it, why would somebody who is playing this game would want to risk their stuff and give them to some kind of stranger? Especially if he don't knows him. And he is not even approved by IGG...

Imagine person is new to game and don't knows anything about sentinels or never visits to forum. Then he wants to trade with guy and guy says "let's trade with sentinel". Person asks what is sentinel (or knows what is sentinels but don't trusts them of obvious reasons what you can find in these pointless letter combinations you are reading now). So guy explains. Person asks "How can I know I can trust you? What if that's just your friend and you both wanna scam me?" Guy either don't knows how to prove, either asks his friends to approve it, either sends person to forum where person prolly won't be able to find list of sentinels (I couldn't, can YOU?).

So person has two options - he can either trust guy (and possibly get scammed), either refuse (and possibly be called a scammer for that).
1. If guy can't get any proof person will obviously refuse and want to trade normally. He will ask for his stuff first cos he's careful. Guy will refuse. Then guy will prepare a bunch of RedBulls and start to spam in world chat 8 hours in a row, with colorful blinking letters and a bunch of emotes, that person tried to scam him.
2. If guy asks other people to approve that there is sentinels how can person know that these are not his alts, friends ( who maybe also are scammers), friend alts...?  Person will refuse and want to trade normally. He will ask for his stuff first cos he's careful. Guy will refuse. Then guy will prepare a bunch of RedBulls and start to spam in world chat 8 hours in a row, with colorful blinking letters and a bunch of emotes, that person tried to scam him.
3. Guy sends person to forum and person can not find list (Again, I couldn't, can YOU? And even if you can why would person even believe in some random player made topic what is not even officially approved by IGG?). So,  person will refuse and want to trade normally. He will ask for his stuff first cos he's careful. Guy will refuse. Then guy will prepare a bunch of RedBulls and start to spam in world chat 8 hours in a row, with colorful blinking letters and a bunch of emotes, that person tried to scam him.

Of course there may be cases when people who don't want to use sentinel are scammers. But the fact that people don't want to use sentinel to trade doesn't proves that they are scammers (all tho it seems to be already accepted as proof what is stupid). It's horse crap... Why would somebody should trust a random guy who tells he is sentinel or that other persons tell that... And why would somebody would want to trade thought him, he might as well get scammed by doing that...

And by the way, where it is said that sentinels never can scam? In MW1, as much as I've heard, there were some sentinels gone bad. So this option is not excluded either...

xxGuyxx

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Original posted by Guguby at 4-30-2012 01:24 PM
In my opinion sentinels are joke... They may be good for answering questions of newbs and helping them. But when it comes to trade they really are just a joke. I even knew some persons who trusted som ...

Having a sentinel help with the trade is better than one of the other options, trading first. Would you rather have someone trusted by the community hold your items to help you trade, or just hand your items over to some complete stranger, hoping he/she will honor the terms of the trade?

There's also the option of asking the other party to trade first, but a lot of players won't trade first, either because they're scammers and want to be able to scam you, or they're afraid of losing their stuff (can't blame them).

Also, I think most sentinels have been playing for many years and have been nothing but honest and helpful the whole time they've been playing (well I know of one who I would trust with my life at least).

[ Last edited by xxGuyxx at 4-30-2012 02:11 PM ]

Mafiano

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Original posted by Guguby at 4-30-2012 01:24 PM
In MW1, as much as I've heard, there were some sentinels gone bad.

I was once hacked by a (edit: IGG approved) Sentinal in MW1.

[ Last edited by Mafiano at 4-30-2012 02:14 PM ]

tylerdaneswart

agree Sentinal should not always be trusted they are not players chosen by igg.. they are players chosen by them selfs and there friends.. with a topic lol any 1 of them could scam and get away with it just like any player... only difference is.. they can put u on there "scammer" topic and lie

MayanKing

sentiels were just people who won a popularity contest.. i don't trust them myself nor do i use them as a middle man if someone can not trust me with a trade then theres no point even trying to trade with me.

Guguby

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Original posted by xxGuyxx at 4-30-2012 08:10 PM
Would you rather have someone trusted by the community hold your items to help you trade, or just hand your items over to some complete stranger, hoping he/she will honor the terms of the trade?

Non of the above. Unless I know the guy well in real life, and even in that case there's a chance that I might get scammed cos people are aholes lol, I would not give my items hold to anybody. I always have asked to my other party to trade by giving items first. Of course some people don't agree and they are doing right cos not trusts stranger. But that's not my problem, I can always find somebody what trades and I always did. Luckily for those people that I'm not scammer lol. I just don't trust people...

Also, the thing that people are playing for long years or/and always were honest doesn't make them more trustable in my book. I know some high level people who were playing for years and still scams as well as some who played for long time and never scammed... then suddenly started to scam. I don't know the reasons, maybe they just got bored or something...

Fortisslayer

they are scammers.
And if u dont want to trade with sent u might aswell be a scammer the sents on phoneix are well known chars that help ppl everyday and even give away pets.
2of them have all saints so theres pretty much no need for them to scam,i persnally think if u dont want those 3 help in trade u up to sumin

Fortisslayer

and bruvis do u even play again?
and if person dont trust sent and get scammed then dont whine and complain to nobody also if u the other person wants trade with sent and u dont its simply no trade

lapitchoune

nix and dragon is very different^^ so far there has never been any problem with sentinels on nix.... However there r scammers who pretend to be sentinel (whereas they r not) to scamm people (e.g Magus)

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Guguby

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Original posted by Fortisslayer at 4-30-2012 09:20 PM
and bruvis do u even play again?
and if person dont trust sent and get scammed then dont whine and complain to nobody  

No, I don't play at the moment...

Yes, I acknowledge that if person don't want to trade trough sentinel and as a result gets scammed then it's his own flout. But if player know what he is doing he then would not have such problem, I, and I'm not the only one, never had any problems. There are people that gets scammed many times and there are some who plays for long time and never get's scammed. I wouldn't call it just bad luck. I think it has something to do with that silly trust and naive-ness...

On other hand, somebody who agrees to trade trough sentinel may get scammed anyways, either by fake sentinel, most likely, either by sentinel itself, what is not excluded.

For people who are smart enough to not fall for those scamming crap, they don't need sentinel. They did fine for a long time before they came and never needed them. Also, those people, most likely, also would refuse sentinels "help" because they see a loopholes and chances to get scammed there, just as I do. And for those naive people who get's scammed many times and then cry about it... I'm pretty sure that even with sentinels around, if not by one of them, sooner or later, they still will get scammed somehow...

Like Mega said, and I agree with him, they are just people who won a popularity contest. And populariy is not a proof of reliability...

rainyrainy

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Original posted by tylerdaneswart at 30-4-2012 07:27 PM
agree Sentinal should not always be trusted they are not players chosen by igg.. they are players chosen by them selfs and there friends.. with a topic lol any 1 of them could scam and get away with i ...

so this ***** calls his fellow forum mod a scammer, aye.. if that's how things are gonna go from now on.. -.-' one strike, two strike, three strike, you're OUT!